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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:46:00 -
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Ironically, NONE of these arguments hold water until someone (CCP) can put percentages on the table justifying why the idea even needs a mention.
So little of nullsec ice is mined now. It's mostly purchased/hauled from highsec. A lot of it from 0.0 alliance bots.
Yes, there will be massive impacts on research, T2 invention and manufacture given that sooo much of that is done by the carebears in highsec.
Having said that, good moons are a rare commodity, not accessible to your average player and yet carebears still build and sell T2 with little problem.
I can't see loss of ice to highsec as a major issue providing, and this is the key, it becomes a profitable enough commodity to make 0.0 indy chars actually go mine it and transport it. And this concerns me. If they don't, T2 production, BPO research etc. will be left purely in the hands of 0.0. (not enough slots CCP!)
CCP would know that 0.0 MUST mine the ice if they remove it from highsec. If they don't, the Eve economists will react very quickly because inflation will go through the roof or worse, carebears will simply throw their hands up and say, I quit.
Of course, it could also promote alliances helping carebears get into 0.0 - if for nothing more than to ensure their own supply is maintained. Otherwise there will be CTA's for Mackinaw gangs to form up.
imho, the idea of a reduced supply is best solution. A scannable ice belt seems most logical. I run a single medium Blood faction tower for BPO research and I need less than 20 cubes of ice a day to run it. About 20 minutes work on 3 chars.
If you're a greedy pig with 20 towers and you're in highsec cash grabbing, then maybe you need to go do some real work out there.... you know.... space.....
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:06:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:and like 95% of highsec ice miners are bots
Not sure where the number comes from but seems fair , but how much of that is to fuel 0.0 and how much fuels highsec POS's... Who actually needs the yardstick taken to them? Highsec bears or 0.0 alliances?
Nonethelesss, the more I think about this, the more I like it.
Once thing for sure, if only 0.0 has the ice, they are NOT going to mine it for highsec unless the price becomes 100x what it is.
But some good things.....
- It will force 0.0 alliances to be more independent and could force some very interesting chokepoints.
- In reality, it's only going to kill off highsec POS's and it's not going to hurt T2 production 'cos just take it station side.
- It WILL hurt BPO research, which might be a good thing (Apostle goes to market to buy up BPO's for research)
- It may entice carebears out into "the void"....
What I find interesting is why GSF (given the CSM is mostly GSF) are pushing for this? It may well be a case of "be careful what you wish for"... It'd be far too easy to shut a 0.0 alliance down by doing the very thing that GSF is doing in highsec.
Unless...... unlesss...... You're also looking for a nerf on cloaky SB's or a buff to cyno-jammers??
I can smell the Scorch bomb cordite from here....
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:25:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Apostle wrote:Weaselior wrote:and like 95% of highsec ice miners are bots Not sure where the number comes from but seems fair , but how much of that is to fuel 0.0 and how much fuels highsec POS's... Who actually needs the yardstick taken to them? Highsec bears or 0.0 alliances? I have no idea how I'd go about determining who owns a bot, but I do know that if you wanted to bot and had access to 0.0 you'd make much more money running a ratting bot or something else a lot more profitable. 0.0 buys its fuel in jita, and does not mine ice: it's far better to rat for ten minutes and purchase ice with isk than mine for an hour.
'Tis true but in some aspects you could be inadvertently assisting ice bots. If the price continues to climb you make the "risk v reward" argument a fait accompli.
Ice bots are simply a lazy option to either 1) make "passive" isk while you sleep or 2) fuel massive 0.0 logistics.
Both need a stick taken to them no doubt but you are making ice botting more attractive, not less.
The GSF campaign would have to last for so long, and be so concerted that the "Knight in Shining Armor" rhetoric will get very thin, very fast to a large number of your pilots.
Taking ice out of highsec would accomplish all of these objectives and much, much more.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:28:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:if ice was moved to 0.0 only that'd be pretty rad we could hire worthless pubbies to mine then whip them when they don't make quota
Where do I sign? I know for a fact that the whole DekCo network needs a LOT of ice. I could pretty well charge you whatever I damn well pleased 
And I like being whipped..... Is that a bonus?
TL;DR Sharpen up the Mack Axe boys..... Time to go get a slice of those Alliance funds...
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:39:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:That's a whole lot of :words: to say "Wahhhh the Goons are ruining my game!!!"
Fixed it for ya.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.12 04:16:00 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
Evidence of their intent? All circumstantial at best.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.12 22:21:00 -
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Kiran wrote:The removal of Ice from high sec will do one of a few things to Eve.
1) The prices of items will go through the roof, you wont buy a Rifter for under 5 million isk. Because ice for the POS's in high sec will cost to much because the null sec alliances will have a strangle hold on it.
2) Industry in high sec will suffer overall as small industry corps shut down and leave the game. (Some people do not wish to play in low sec or null sec.)
3) High sec will become empty as people either leave the game or become null sec mining slaves.
If you wish to kill the markets and industry in New Eden then remove Ice from high sec. And then the game stops being a sandbox.
As much as I "carebear" these days and run POS's etc. this is not quite true.
The only thing a high-sec POS effectively allows is for you to work on BPO's/BPC's and copies. ALL of which can be done in stations - albeit, waiting 3 months for a slot. This can be easily remedied at the flick of a switch by CCP.
All production on any item that can be done in a highsec POS can also be done in station.
It will mean a rationalization of highsec POS's at worst but will it force 0.0 alliances to mine their own ice and this alone makes them very, very vulnerable. This can only be a good thing.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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